The Lowdown on Lipsynch at the Super Bowl

JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 28 Jan 2003 10:15 am

Here's a story
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/sun/arts/news_1a26varga.html

There you have it...

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Richard Bass · Post by **Richard Bass** » 28 Jan 2003 11:19 am

Thanks for posting the article.
Richard

Smiley Roberts · Post by **Smiley Roberts** » 28 Jan 2003 11:21 am

I've heard that,whenever you go to a Reba or Garth concert,that they are doing just that.
That is,singing live to tracks,& the "band" is just "pick-sync-ing".(goin' through the motions). I know,FOR A FACT,that's what Vern Gosdin does!

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Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 28 Jan 2003 11:35 am

Hmmm. The organization that has figured out how to mic the coach into the QB's helmet can't go wireless to give them time for the line checks...

On the other hand, I think it's great that the NFL is image concious enough to exert this kind of control over performances at their premier event. Maybe it's a little too much of "worry about the things you can control".

I don't think the NFL realizes how detectable lip synching is and that a large portion of the public considers it a bit of a scam. Maybe they should leave the sound and music issues to other professionals.

If it were me, I'd rather be criticized for pour sound conditions than for hoodwinking the public.

Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 28 Jan 2003 12:18 pm

Thanks for the link. Nice inside info.

I have personal experience with a live televised awards show that was all "Live to Track", meaning the band faked it, the vocalists were live.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 28 Jan 2003 2:26 pm

Faked is faked...period. On the other hand, they (whoever's runnin' the show) probably make 'em do it (the lip-sync thing) because they can't trust 'em. Not all performers are a class act...and we could handle it if it was a "not perfect" job, but some would try to really screw it up (on purpose), or to try to be a "smartass" and do it in a disrespectful (their own "style"?) way.

Remember Roseanne Barr's version?

Remember Jimi Hendrix's version?

We got one damn song that represents our whole Country. When and if it's ever your turn to do it, do it the best you can, and do it (EXACTLY) like it was written...or let somebody else do it!

'Nuff said.

JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 28 Jan 2003 2:47 pm

I can see all kinds of good reasons for lip synching the whole deal-from everyone's perspective. I don't really fault 'em for it-particularly the big acts at halftime. Nobody wants anything to go wrong, and yeah, there's NO WAY to get all that gear hooked up in 10 minutes.

And the anthem, while it's only a couple of mics, man there's a lot cables and plugs to get stepped on or have something go wrong. I don't blame Shania for synching either. You either like her or hate her, and that will determine your attitude on that. Sting, on the other hand, Had to stretch to reach the notes in "Message" when he was in his prime-he should have taped his earlier. I guarantee the band was on tape. It sounded too good. I mean-A+ and attaboy for wanting to "keep it real", but that's probably not the venue for making that kind of statement.

As an aside, in their very early days, The Dead were on a TV show in San Francisco-say "67 or something like that-and they had to lipsynch their song. Phil Lesh (Bass) was opposed, but had no choice, so in protest he played a broomstick. I have a picture of that here somewhere.
JB

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Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 28 Jan 2003 3:03 pm

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JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 28 Jan 2003 3:10 pm

See, now I'll bet that in San Francisco, they HAD to let 'em do that live. And I'll bet they sang it as written, too. A little wobbly, perhaps, but honest.

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chas smith R.I.P. · Post by **chas smith R.I.P.** » 28 Jan 2003 3:13 pm

Donny, with all due respect, I thought Jimi's interpretation was very powerful and it put into perpective a level of patriotism, intended or not, to 400,000 people at a time when the mood in the country was split. Whether you supported the government's position or not, it was a reminder that this is a great place to be and it said it in a way that those in attendence could hear it.

JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 28 Jan 2003 3:18 pm

True Chas. Hendrix's version was entirely appropriate for the venue and the audience. Roseanne's version was inappropriate anywhere.

JB

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Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 28 Jan 2003 3:39 pm

Many forget that Jimi was a past Service Man and not a Peace-nik.

His SSB always sounded violent to me. You can hear bombers and machine guns in it. I think he intended it to be that way.

sorry for the topic drift

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 28 Jan 2003 3:58 pm

Moved to 'Music' section of the Forum.

Bob Blair · Post by **Bob Blair** » 28 Jan 2003 3:59 pm

There's been an awful lot of lip-synching over the years, and certainly a lot of use of pre-recorded music tracks, on a whole lot of television shows by a whole lot of artists. So no surprise that they would do it in a Superbowl situation. I tend to lose interest as soon as I figure out that pre-recorded tracks are involved. But I've seldom found videos interesting either, for the same reasons. You are watching someone pretend to sing or pretend to play. If the real performance is only an audio one, why waste your time looking at visual images that aren't part of that real performance? But a lot of people obviously do.