Which Chorus Item for B3 Organ Sound?

Sigi Meissner · Post by **Sigi Meissner** » 7 Dec 2005 2:13 am

I got the Idea from a instruction Video from Lloyd Maines. He did an incredible good sounding blues shuffle.I think Curly Chalker did some B3 things too. A friend of mine had one of this monsters at home. When he stepped on the bottom for the leslie I got chicken skin every time. Yeah! I want exactly this sound.
Which chorus Item comes nearest?
Please don't tell me buy a 760 leslie cabinet ;=)
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Bill Fulbright · Post by **Bill Fulbright** » 7 Dec 2005 2:35 am

As you may know, there are several products (pedals or amp emulators) out there that emulate a B3 sound. Line 6 has done a pretty good job of it, and so have some of the pedal manufacturers. I believe it boils down to your taste after you have heard them all.

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Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 7 Dec 2005 3:28 am

I used to have a DOD 565 Chorus pedal. It didn't work well with pedal steel guitar for chorus but worked great as a Leslie simulator. I got many comments about sounding like a "B3".

Jan Jonsson · Post by **Jan Jonsson** » 7 Dec 2005 3:41 am

My favorite is the old analog Dynacord CLS-222, a 1 HE rack mounted unit that was produced during the 80s. I use it with my Telecaster as well as my pedal steels and it gives a very authentic Leslie effect, in particular when used with a tube amplifier.

-- Jan

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Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 7 Dec 2005 5:14 am

H&K Tube Rotosphere
The tube circuitry breaks up just like a Leslie and the overall effect is as realistic as anything on the market. A bit pricey but if you want an authentic sound, the Rotosphere will do the trick.

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Bill Fulbright · Post by **Bill Fulbright** » 7 Dec 2005 5:20 am

Ahh yes... the Rotosphere is what I was trying to remember!!

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Chris Brooks · Post by **Chris Brooks** » 7 Dec 2005 5:30 am

I'm with Larry and Bill. The Rotosphere is great. It's about $340, discounted, with a wall wart.

Chris

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Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 7 Dec 2005 5:55 am

The discontinued Korg G4 is the best of them all IMO.

For a single-speed chorus unit, the Arion SCH-1 is the sleeper - does a wonderful Leslie sound. Have to find a used one and theyy're getting expensive, Do NOT get the newer SCZ-1 - completely different (and awful).

Brad Sarno · Post by **Brad Sarno** » 7 Dec 2005 6:28 am

Jim, I agree on the Korg G4. Find them used on Ebay. They are really quite excellent at emulating a real Leslie.

Brad

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 7 Dec 2005 6:31 am

The MXR Phase 100 stomp-box does a credible job on both a fast or a slow leslie sound. One plus is that you don't need a wall wart. (The battery life is quite good.)

Roger Crawford · Post by **Roger Crawford** » 7 Dec 2005 6:40 am

The PODxt has a good one, too.

Jay Ganz · Post by **Jay Ganz** » 7 Dec 2005 6:47 am

I have a Motion Sound Pro 3T which actually has a revolving horn in it, so it's not just a simulator. I'll tell you though, the Leslie simulator in the PODxt is pretty darn good in a pinch also. I tweeked the fast speed up a bit with the Line 6 edit to match the speed of the Pro 3T.

John Cox · Post by **John Cox** » 7 Dec 2005 9:42 am

About a decade back I had a Jim Dunlop "Roto-Vibe" that worked pertty well. Don't know if they still make them or not but, I'd check it out. J.C.

Smiley Roberts · Post by **Smiley Roberts** » 7 Dec 2005 10:46 am

Okay.I'm only gonna say this ONE MORE TIME!

The Peavey ProFex II,Newman program # 41,("Leslie") usually available,on this very forum,for anywhere from $215 to $275 (+/-)
You get your "Leslie" effect,PLUS 127 others at your fingertips. PLUS,if you also play guitar,128 guitar programs!! Need I say more? I can't see payin' $250-$300 for ONE effect,that you'll,probably,only use once,MAYBE,twice a night. My "humble"

opinion.

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Brad Sarno · Post by **Brad Sarno** » 7 Dec 2005 11:26 am

Well, I gotta tell ya that Smiley speaketh the truth (no matter what they say about him). I just listened back to a recording of him playing the last NTSGA jam and he did a tune with the full on leslie/hammond sound. I was so impressed by how true it sounded that I emailed him to ask exactly what he was using to get that sound. It sure sounded like the real deal. Profex. Go Peavey!

Brad

Ken Fox · Post by **Ken Fox** » 7 Dec 2005 11:32 am

Another trick on the Profex 2 or any of the Peavey rack effects is to put the chorus or phase effect after a splitter effect, making it go to one output only! Then run two amps. The difference in chorus is astounding with a Profex 2 set up that way. A true stereo chorus just sends the effect to one amp only! The splitter effect will do that for you easily. Huge sound!!![This message was edited by Ken Fox on 07 December 2005 at 11:34 AM.]

David Wren · Post by **David Wren** » 7 Dec 2005 1:21 pm

The MPX-100, if split between two amps is OK.... I want an expression pedal that allows varible speed of the tempo.... just like Jimmy Smith!

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Andy Zynda · Post by **Andy Zynda** » 7 Dec 2005 1:31 pm

Another vote for the Korg G4. It's as close as you'll get. Jerry Donahue (from the hellecasters) tried 'em all and chose the Korg.
I sold mine only when I snagged a Vibratone.
(Fender's Leslie)
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-andy

Grant Johnson · Post by **Grant Johnson** » 7 Dec 2005 1:41 pm

There is a Korg G4 for sale on the Telecaster Page Garage Sale by a good, trustworthy bloke for $325.

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Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 7 Dec 2005 1:44 pm

I like the Korg so much I'm SELLING my Vibratone! Takes up too much room.

FWIW I have had nothing but awful results with Peavey products. I figured there's a reason most of it's so inexpensive. Hartley may be a great success, but his equipment is pretty mediocre IMO.

Post by **Dave Mudgett** » 7 Dec 2005 2:47 pm

Voce Spin, but I use it more for guitar than steel - I love it for jazz-flavored comping. I've tried tons of choruses, flangers, and other assorted effects like this, including the Korg G4, Rotovibe, an original old Univibe, old Ross flangers, MXR Phase 100, the Pod's Leslie effect, a Roland Synthesizer B-3 + Leslie settings, a real Leslie 16 (equivalent to Fender Vibratone) cabinet, and a bunch of older ones whose names I have completely forgotten. I have a Hammond A100 with Leslie cab, and except for the Roland guitar synth (which sounded a lot like a B-3, but had tracking issues), the Voce is the closest of the ones I've tried. The Leslie 16 was cool, but didn't have the rotating horn - just a rotating drum around the speaker - and it was heavy (think Session 500 heavy).

My Voce is the rackmount version, which has been out of production for a while and is probably hard to find. I guess there's a newer floor-pedal Spin II, haven't heard that one.

For a live band mix, I usually just use my tweaked out Pod. I've used the G4, Rotovibe, and so on, in live settings, they generally sound fine to me also. But if I'm going to use the effect a lot, I like the Voce.

I used to occasionally run the Roland guitar synth B-3 patch in a blues band - the leader used to give me the evil eye all night. He complained that it "just didn't look right to have those B-3 sounds coming from a guitar". Strangely, when I left the band, he hired a B-3 player to take my place.

ajm · Post by **ajm** » 7 Dec 2005 4:56 pm

I'll second what Ken said about having the stratight signal come out of one amp and the effected slightly modulated signal come out the other side.

I have a Rockman stereo chorus, and the "wide" setting does just that. It really makes a difference. Also, if you can slightly delay the wet signal and/or modulate the delay a little it also spreads it out a little more.

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Jan Jonsson · Post by **Jan Jonsson** » 8 Dec 2005 2:28 am

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I like the Korg so much I'm SELLING my Vibratone! Takes up too much room.
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Jim: I just sold my old cherished Vibratone for the same reason. The Dynacord sounds close enough (I believe you heard it on my band's recent demo songs) but weights next to nothing.

-- Jan

Rainer Hackstaette · Post by **Rainer Hackstaette** » 8 Dec 2005 6:10 am

1. Hughes & Kettner Rotosphere
2. PODxt

I have both. In a side-by-side comparison, the Rotosphere wins hands-down. So, for a studio gig I'd use the H&K. In a live situation, the PODxt is convincing enough. Bringing the H&K in addition to the POD for just a song or two is just too much hassle.

With either units, "B-3 sound" is quite a stretch, if you're playing PSG. It's more like a Bontempi, Farfisa, or Casio.

Rainer

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Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 8 Dec 2005 7:41 am

I also use the H & K Rotosphere. I have a two button remote foot switch next to my left foot so I can kick it in when desired. I play all gospel music and it sure sounds great on the old gospel songs for a chorus or such.
Erv