Holy grail Reverb

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 10 Jul 2003 9:01 pm

First off I use this stomp box reverb just about all the time. I've even done a couple recordings with it. It works great and sounds fine to me.

I packed it poorly and an airline busted it up pretty good. Electro Harmonix offered to fix it for me for $15. I didn't have any paperwork or a warranty. I was going to run over to the factory in Queens to pick it up but they had already shipped it back to me at there expense. Also there was no charge for the repair.

Real nice people.

Bob

Steve Hinson · Post by **Steve Hinson** » 11 Jul 2003 5:03 am

Bob...is it close to the Boss pedals as far as sound quality,etc.?I saw one of these at Broadway Music the other day and it looked interesting but I didn't have time to try it out...thanks-Steve

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 11 Jul 2003 6:32 am

I like it a little better than the boss pedal. The boss pedal sounded a bit grainy in comparison. The EH verb is a little thick in the early reflections but overall works fine. The spring sound in the EH had me convinced on playback last session I used it on ( This was about as far from a master session as you can get though ). Mostly I use the EH box when I'm to lazy to carry my Lexicon.

Bob

Keith Hilton · Post by **Keith Hilton** » 11 Jul 2003 9:35 am

Bob Tom Brumley uses one. 4 months ago I played a show with Tom and helped him get hooked up. Seemed to me the Holy Grail was designed for a instrument level signal. It worked better that way then when it was fed a pre-amped signal. Infact, when Tom and I went on stage there was noise and distortion when the Holy Grail was put after a pre-amped signal, and went away when it was fed the low level pickup signal. Just my observation. It might be best to experiment where it sounds and works best in a signal chain. Bob, check your U.S. Post Office mail box either today or tomarrow!

Bill Taft · Post by **Bill Taft** » 12 Jul 2003 1:28 pm

I bought one to try on my PA I could not get any good reverb with the unit that was built in the PA, but with a switch you can shut the internal unit off and use whatever you want, and I will say one thing best thing I done for a while I can get the sound I want with the holy grail. I havent tried it with my steel I use a RV-3 but I bet you could get some great reverb for the steel.

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Jon Light (deceased) · Post by **Jon Light (deceased)** » 12 Jul 2003 1:48 pm

I'm using the Holy Grail too. Observations---it's a bit white-noisy when used in front of the amp. Not unmanageable. It quiets down completely in an FX loop. I'm finding it a bit difficult to dial in quite right---it has just one knob. It is powerful and it's tough to find the sweet spot. But come to think of it, I've always had trouble getting Fender reverbs just right too----sweet but not swampy. I've never minded the RV-3---think it sounds fine but it is not modeled after the sound of a spring tank. This is. And it soundds like one. (BTW--there is a "Holier Grail" that has more controls). I think that if you want the sound of classic Fender spring reverb and don't want to pay the $$ and carry the weight of a vintage or re-issue Fender tank, this is a damn good option.

---oh yeah---as to the subject of the thread......that's good to know, Bob. I had heard negative stuff about the company so it's good to know there's some real people taking care of business. [This message was edited by Jon Light on 12 July 2003 at 02:50 PM.]

Jay Ganz · Post by **Jay Ganz** » 12 Jul 2003 3:10 pm

Little Lanilei all the way!
It's a real spring reverb
unit enclosed within the pedal.
It's dead quiet & doesn't color your
original tone whatsoever(& I ain't lyin').
Mainly designed to go between your
steel and amp.

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Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 12 Jul 2003 5:46 pm

I still believe there is nothing to beat the Lexicon reverb. Even the $199 MPX-110 has the same Lexchip technology used in the higher priced models. I've compared the Boss, Digitech, EH, Alesis, and Lexicon reverbs side by side and anything that says Lexicon on it (I used an LXP-1, an LXP-5, and a new MPX-110) beats the others hands down, to my ears. I did use a PCM-91 in the studio the other day and it was virtually identical to my MPX-110 in an A/B test. The 110 is not a stompbox, but it isn't much bigger. The TC Reverb 4000 was also excellent, but we're talking several thousand dollars for a dedicated reverb -- too rich for my blood. For a good compromise of cost and performance, I'll take the lower end Lexicon stuff any day.

I never have cared for the sound of spring reverbs. They pick up 60Hz and sound like a thunderstorm when your drummer gets a bit overzealous. Spring reverb is not 'real reverb'. Real reverb is a natural characteristic of a good sounding room. I believe that a high quality electronic reverb algorithm, such as that developed years ago by Lexicon is far superior and much more versatile. Just my opinion. I don't use much reverb anyway.

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Jay Ganz · Post by **Jay Ganz** » 13 Jul 2003 6:24 am

As far as rack units go, my favorite is also
Lexicon. I've also had an old LXP-1 for
years. But, as far as pedals go....which
some guys prefer for convenience...this
Lanilei pedal is pretty tough to beat for
a great "spring" reverb sound. If you're
used to a "digital" tone, then it may not
be your thing.