Improving Signal Chain - predictions??

Tony Orth · Post by **Tony Orth** » 10 Feb 2003 12:48 pm

Assuming the following equipment:
Emmons LG II with humbucker pickup, Boss DD3 delay, Derby Volume pedal, Evans SE200 amp(new), H&K Rotosphere.

My current signal path is:
Emmons - Volume Ped - Delay - Evans Amp - Rotosphere in effects loop.

My question is, is there a better way?
One proposal I'm toying with is:
Emmons - Delay - Evans amp - Both volume pedal and Rotosphere chained in effects loop.

Won't be able to try this for a couple of days. Any predictions as to the results?
Better ideas?

Thanks
Tony

Larry Behm · Post by **Larry Behm** » 11 Feb 2003 4:58 am

What happens when you go Emmons-Delay-Rotary-Vol pedal-Amp?

Larry Behm

Tony Orth · Post by **Tony Orth** » 11 Feb 2003 5:52 am

Hmmmm, I'll try that again tonight. Seems I remember having hooked it up that way before and there was more noise that way. Signal is more quiet when the Rotary is in the effects loop.

After reading many posts about placing the volume pedal after the pre-amp circuit, I thought I'd give it a try. Wanted to improve low end at lower volumes.

Tony

Dave Van Allen · Post by **Dave Van Allen** » 11 Feb 2003 6:34 am

I would try
emmons->vol ped->amp->fxloop with rotary->delay

I think delay fx sound more "natural" if they are not cut off by backing off the pedal... although if they are "out of control" it's nice to have a panic button...
delays and reverbs- the ambient fx, I feel should always come last in the chain to enhance the illusion of a "space" they create. all other fx take place in this "space"

JB Arnold · Post by **JB Arnold** » 11 Feb 2003 6:39 am

Delay and reverb should always come last.

JB

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Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 11 Feb 2003 6:56 am

Delay and reverb should always come last.

I agree with reverb being last, but if you ever use delay for doubling, like in Bobbe Seymour's video, you need to be able to cut it off with your volume pedal.

Tony Orth · Post by **Tony Orth** » 11 Feb 2003 9:53 am

Larry, Dave, JB, Jim,

Most interesting stuff. I'll try these suggestions.
By the way, I'm using the digital reverb in my Evans amp. Is it coming before, or after, the fx loop?

Tony

Buck Dilly · Post by **Buck Dilly** » 11 Feb 2003 12:44 pm

I have a rotosphere and it is noisy. Having it looped is a good idea, or you will amplify the noise twice. If it is looped, try the keyboard setting on the rotosphere.

Dave Van Allen · Post by **Dave Van Allen** » 11 Feb 2003 12:48 pm

the first rule: there are no rules

experiment- find something you like... then change it around and see if you like that better....

Tony Orth · Post by **Tony Orth** » 11 Feb 2003 3:22 pm

Well, I know this starting out. The Rotosphere is quiet in the fx loop of the amp. However, I'm bound to try as many combinations as I can tonight.

I'll be back with you soon.

Thanks, and keep the thoughts coming
TOny

Tony Orth · Post by **Tony Orth** » 11 Feb 2003 5:05 pm

Okay boys, here are some results.

Anytime the Rotosphere is in the chain before the amp, Buck is correct, too much noise (hiss). It is much quieter through the loop. That's a done deal.

No matter where the Delay is, as long as it is after the Volume Pedal, there are some highs missing.

No noticable difference in tone with Volume Pedal in FX loop. Have to turn amp input level down because pickup is very hot.

So, here are my two configs that will work:

#1 Emmons-VP-Delay-Amp (Rotary in loop)
(highs seem just a bit rolled off but good clean tone.

#2 Emmons-Delay-VP-Amp (Rotary in Loop)
(Brighter signal, but almost too bright for my ears)

I'll probaly go with #1. This is the set up I've been using and it's clean and easy to work with. The Evans amp has tons of highs and I can kick that up if I need to.

I hope this can be helpful to someone else.
Any more ideas, just shoot them my way.

Thanks
TOny[This message was edited by Tony Orth on 11 February 2003 at 05:08 PM.]