Time

Martin Weenick · Post by **Martin Weenick** » 4 Apr 2003 12:45 am

Just got my Ray Price "TIME" CD yesterday. Emmons is still the King of Kings. Where does he ever get that tone from? Martin.

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Martin W. Emmons LG III 3/5 Peavy 1000

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 4 Apr 2003 2:56 am

BE gets his tone from..

well it starts upstairs in the cranial region, then he transfers it down thru his arms to his hands , the bar and fingers, then to his classic PP and whatever amp he is using then his ears qualify the tone.

I guess what I'm saying is he didn't just play a PP thru an amp and end up with what he's done. He once again created a reference for many, if not all, to seek.

And for that I would state we are all greatfull..He spent the time doing the math
, all we had to do was pretty much look up the answer...

tp

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 4 Apr 2003 6:45 am

Tony,
Are you sure he played a push-pull on 'Time'
I thought it was his Legrande III
Don't own the disc but cuts I've heard didn't sound like The Blade to me. Just curious.

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2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 2000 Fessenden S-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 4 Apr 2003 6:48 am

"well it starts upstairs in the cranial region, then he transfers it down thru his arms to his hands , the bar and fingers, then to his classic PP and whatever amp he is using then his ears qualify the tone."

Tony, almost but not quite.....

well it starts upstairs in the cranial region, then down thru his "heart" then thru his arms to his hands , the bar and fingers, then to his classic PP and whatever amp he is using then his ears qualify the tone.

May Jesus richly bless this incredible steel guitar player. Truly the greatest ever been OR ever will be,

carl

Ernie Renn · Post by **Ernie Renn** » 4 Apr 2003 9:49 am

I think "Time" was done with Buddy's studio LeGrande III. Tone to the bone...

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C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 4 Apr 2003 10:13 am

Yes indeed Ernie,

It sounds like his LeGrande. I used the quote to make the point, but I realized it was his LeGrande on the recording.

carl

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 4 Apr 2003 10:59 am

Ok..Legrande III and add "HEART" and I'll add "SOUL" while I'm at it.

What was I thinking.

Actually, I was speaking on general terms of BE. He,( BE of course ) the one who has brought tone to the forefront and clearly set the reference. I wasn't actually zeroing in on the TIME album, just BE in general.

tp

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 4 Apr 2003 1:35 pm

Yes this is a lovely CD I have had it a week or so. BE is totally in the pocket and too cool for school.

Martin Weenick · Post by **Martin Weenick** » 5 Apr 2003 1:46 am

That cant be his LeGrande III because it dosen't sound anything like mine !!

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Martin W. Emmons LG III 3/5 Peavy 1000

Buddy Emmons · Post by **Buddy Emmons** » 7 Apr 2003 11:32 am

Hi gang. To keep the record straight, I used a black push/pull guitar on the second day of the "Time" sessions. I can't name the songs, but I would guess that at least four tunes were recorded with the push/pull. I also remember using a Standel amp with it. I went back to the Legrande the third day because not being used to tuning and adjusting the P/P in a long time made it a distraction during the session.[This message was edited by Buddy Emmons on 07 April 2003 at 12:35 PM.]

Ray Jenkins · Post by **Ray Jenkins** » 7 Apr 2003 11:49 am

I went back to the Legrande the third day because not being used to tuning and adjusting the P/P in a long time made it a distraction during the session.

P/P out of tune....Buddy.... never.

(well... mine sometime

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Ray

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Steeling is still legal in Arizona

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 7 Apr 2003 12:17 pm

Ok..I take it back about the Legrande III..I'm back to PP..where I started..but only on 4 songs...

see how flexible I am !

Thanks Buddy..hope you're feeling ok...

tp

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 07 April 2003 at 01:19 PM.]

Billy Easton · Post by **Billy Easton** » 7 Apr 2003 2:58 pm

Okay you push-pullers!! Who wants to hazard a guess as to which 4 tunes Buddy is referring to as having been played on his push-pull? Buddy says he does not remember which tunes they were, but if there is such a big difference in tone from a push-pull to an all pull, this is the perfect opportunity to point it out. Who will be first to guess?

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Billy Easton
Casa Grande, AZ
Southwestern Steel Guitar Association

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 7 Apr 2003 3:03 pm

I'm not going to look at this thread again till I listen to TIME a lot more, and think I can guess which is which.
And then see what the othere guesses are.
But I have to force our singer to give back the CD 1st![This message was edited by David L. Donald on 07 April 2003 at 04:04 PM.]

Billy Easton · Post by **Billy Easton** » 9 Apr 2003 1:20 pm

Doesn't anyone want to make a guess?

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Billy Easton
Casa Grande, AZ
Southwestern Steel Guitar Association

Bobby Bowman · Post by **Bobby Bowman** » 9 Apr 2003 2:06 pm

Billy,
I just got my copy. After I listen to it a time or two I'll make a guess.

BB

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If you play 'em, play 'em good!
If you build 'em, build 'em good!

Joe Miraglia · Post by **Joe Miraglia** » 9 Apr 2003 2:25 pm

You guys have better ears than I have.I couldn't tell the difference if he where playing his P/P or my Carter. Joe

Ron Hiler · Post by **Ron Hiler** » 10 Apr 2003 3:16 am

ok.. sounds like the big "E" is having some fun

I honestly can't tell which songs, mebe Ray remembers

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 10 Apr 2003 5:07 am

I am going out on a limb here, but I would say NO one that doesn't know beforehand could tell which songs Buddy used his P/P on.

What EVER Buddy has done on this recording is not only spectacular, but each song sounds the same to me as far as the tone coming out of his amp. And the tone is truly to die for.

For those of you who have not heard this recording, you are missing something incredibly beautiful.

I marvel at what is already THE world's steel guitar ICON; as I listen to "Time"; time and time and time again.

May God bless this genious, and all of you,

carl

Billy Easton · Post by **Billy Easton** » 10 Apr 2003 7:55 am

Carl....
Let me play the devil's advocate here....so you are saying that in Buddy's hands you are not able to discern the difference in sound of the push-pull to the all pull? We all know that so much is in the players mind, heart and hands, but there are those who say that the push-pull has a distinctive sound. Your opinion would deny that claim.
I am not trying to bring up an old argument, but I have read and heard for years this old argument that "push pull sounds different/best". I have played all pull pedal guitars since 1958. So recently I bought a D10 push pull, and while it is not yet set up according to my likes/tastes, it does sound really good. But better? I have not yet made up my mind. I am just looking for your opinion about the push pull sound. And if indeed it is so different/better than an all pull, this is a perfect opportunity to point it out. No harm intended and I prefer not to start a new controversy about an old subject (Hey that could be a song title

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Am I wrong?

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Billy Easton
Casa Grande, AZ
Southwestern Steel Guitar Association

[This message was edited by Billy Easton on 10 April 2003 at 09:29 AM.]

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 10 Apr 2003 8:52 am

Having never played a PP I am in danger of commenting outside my area of experience, but from a "listening" standpoint only, I think that I am somewhat discriminating in identifying nuances in most aspects of what I am hearing.

Having said that, I have to agree with some of the comments above....when I hear a steel-cut on an album there are many differences that I can distinguish..... but, I don't have a clue as to whether it's a PP or a AP! www.genejones.com

Billy Easton · Post by **Billy Easton** » 10 Apr 2003 9:37 am

Gene..
I appreciate your honesty, because I am leaning the same way. Using the example of Buddy on "Time", I have listened to psg for nearly 50 years, and I can't hear a difference. Your mileage may differ. And God Bless all of you.

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Billy Easton
Casa Grande, AZ
Southwestern Steel Guitar Association

Bobby Bowman · Post by **Bobby Bowman** » 10 Apr 2003 10:35 am

Well,
I said I would,,,,and I will,,,,if I can ever get it back from my wife!!!! She keeps it with her in her car and at work. I listened to it one time and I do believe I can come pretty close. I'll tell you why and how after I've made my choices.

BB

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If you play 'em, play 'em good!
If you build 'em, build 'em good!

Billy Easton · Post by **Billy Easton** » 10 Apr 2003 10:39 am

Okay Bobby...
I will be waiting to hear your response!!
I am aware of your expertise on push pulls, so this will be really great!! And tell Toni she has good taste in music as well as men!!

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Billy Easton
Casa Grande, AZ
Southwestern Steel Guitar Association

[This message was edited by Billy Easton on 10 April 2003 at 11:42 AM.]

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 10 Apr 2003 6:17 pm

Bobbe Seymour can hear the difference.