No Pedals Steel Guitar

Melinda Dauley · Post by **Melinda Dauley** » 15 Feb 2003 11:34 pm

Okay..what is the correct term for a steel that isn't a pedal steel but has two necks, adjustable legs and 8 strings on both the necks?
(I know it sounds like a bad joke but I'm serious).
I went to the Cumberland tavern tonight and saw an elderly gentleman playing one of these instruments. I liked the old style tone he got. He had an ORIGINAL Tv face "tremolux" amp in very beautiful condition. Not even the leather strap was dried out. How nice is that?
I hope some of you get to hear him. His name is Jerie. His wife made him quit playing for awhile cos she didn't want him in the honky tonks. But she passed on, so now he's getting the playing back up to speed. Sounded really good!
Hope you all had a good Saturday night!
Melinda

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Ray Montee (RIP) · Post by **Ray Montee (RIP)** » 16 Feb 2003 1:25 am

Historically, you'd be correct by referring to it for what it is: A double neck, electric Hawaiian STEEL GUITAR. NO matter who made it, or how many strings or whatever, it is a STEEL GUITAR.

Now, if you must join the in-crowd, you might choose to refer to it as:
A dual, 8-string, steel string, console,
non-pedal, electric Hawaiian, SLIDE G'tar.

Bill Ford · Post by **Bill Ford** » 16 Feb 2003 11:54 am

Or,D8 non pedal console if it has legs.If no legs,Lap steel.D=2,or double necks 8= strings
Bill

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R. L. Jones · Post by **R. L. Jones** » 16 Feb 2003 8:21 pm

If you play it with a steel bar , It is a steel guitar, accoustic ,electric, .Thats where the name came from, steelguitar

R. L.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 16 Feb 2003 8:53 pm

It's a "steel guitar".

Most steel players would call it a "non-pedal steel guitar", and then get more specific.

Formally, it's a "electric Hawaiian steel guitar".

It's not a "slide guitar".

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Terry Wendt · Post by **Terry Wendt** » 16 Feb 2003 9:42 pm

Steel

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Al Marcus · Post by **Al Marcus** » 21 Feb 2003 8:02 pm

Back in 1936 , when Electric guitars came out, in order to differentiate between the two guitars, one was called "Electric Guitar", and the other was called "Electric Hawaiian Guitar".

We also called the plectrum guitar "Spanish Guitar" and the other "Hawaiian Guitar" Then everyone knew what you were referring to. that's the way it was in 1936.

Gibson called the two neck 8 string on legs, "Console Grande Guitar"....al

[This message was edited by Al Marcus on 21 February 2003 at 08:23 PM.]

George Keoki Lake · Post by **George Keoki Lake** » 21 Feb 2003 9:00 pm

As far as I'm concerned, I agree with Ray. It's a Hawaiian Steel Guitar or just the (original) STEEL GUITAR. I detest the term 'lap' as the first thing which pops to mind is a 'lap dancer', and also the word 'slide' which I feel is degrading to the instrument. "Slide" trombonists would prefer to be known as a trombonist, or if they play the valve trombone, they will occasionally use the term "valve trombonist"...but here again, the majority prefer the term 'trombonist' as that is the instrument they play. We play the Hawaiian Steel Guitar, (or STEEL GUITAR), while others prefer to play the Pedal Steel Guitar. Guess I'm an old opinionated phart when it comes to the subject of lap and slide.[This message was edited by George Keoki Lake on 21 February 2003 at 09:00 PM.]

John Kavanagh · Post by **John Kavanagh** » 22 Feb 2003 9:50 am

I call it a lap steel, even though mine is a D8 with legs, because more people know what that is, or think they do. It's also short.

Check out the "No Peddlers" section of this forum, and you will learn more about this instrument than you need or want to know.[This message was edited by John Kavanagh on 22 February 2003 at 09:51 AM.]

Mike Perlowin RIP · Post by **Mike Perlowin RIP** » 22 Feb 2003 10:04 am

Well if we change the name of the pedal steel guitar to tifkatpsg as I've previously suggested, then it follows that we change the name of this instrument to tifkatNpsg. (The Instrument Formerly Known As The Non Pedal Steel Guitar)[This message was edited by Mike Perlowin on 22 February 2003 at 11:06 PM.]

HowardR · Post by **HowardR** » 22 Feb 2003 10:29 am

oh, just call it a "horn"...

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 22 Feb 2003 10:34 am

I call it a Hawaiian guitar. The other guys play a "Spanish guitar". The name steel guitar was contrived for the same reason "country music" was; and "lead" guitar was. In a word, it was to get around the stigmas:

1. Hillbilly

2. Hiwaryan

3. Git' Tar

Yes, it is played with a steel bar. And it seems only logical that is why it is called steel. But from my recollection that is not aligned with the facts. We are what our roots go back to. Mine goes back to the day when EVERY one referred to guitars as either:

1. Spanish Guitar

or

2. Hawaiian Guitar

But a rose by any other name WOULD smell as sweet",

carl

George Keoki Lake · Post by **George Keoki Lake** » 2 Mar 2003 9:25 pm

Right on Carl. I should state further, the so-called "slide" guitar best refers to the bottleneck wherein the bar does a lot of sliding attached to the left hand pinky finger. So it follows:
* Hawaiian (steel) Guitar
* Spanish (plectrum) Guitar
* Bottleneck (slide) Guitar
Then of course one mustn't forget the nylon classical guitar, and on it goes......

Aaron Schiff · Post by **Aaron Schiff** » 2 Mar 2003 10:28 pm

My wife calls my 1958 Gibson D-8 Console Grande, "his lap steel". To no avail, I've told her numerous times that my Melobar is my "lap steel" and that she can call my Gibson a "steel guitar", "Hawaiian Guitar", "Hawaiian steel guitar", "non-pedal steel guitar", "non-pedal D-8 steel guitar" or "Gibson Console Grande". Anything but "lap steel", since it doesn't sit in my lap and I play it standing up. I've finally given up. She's going to call it whatever she calls it. I call it my Gibson or my D-8

Jody Sanders · Post by **Jody Sanders** » 2 Mar 2003 10:46 pm

Aaron, you should hear what my wife calls my steel guitar. As this is a family oriented forum, I am not at liberty to print. Jody.

Frank Parish · Post by **Frank Parish** » 3 Mar 2003 12:45 am

B0B got it right. Why would you call it a lap steel if it has legs? If you play it in your lap that's fine but if it has legs it's not a "lap" guitar. Also if you don't play Hawaiian why would you call it that? What about these guys that play blaring R&R or do 6 string slide licks on their steel guitars? What would you call them? (Garbage steel guitar, ha!) It's just a steel guitar or "straight steel" if it doesn't have pedals and a pedal steel if it does. Doesn't that make sense?

Robert Rogers · Post by **Robert Rogers** » 3 Mar 2003 5:20 am

My dad told me that he heard that Jimmy Day called his a horn.He's got a funny story to go along with that.

Robert Rogers
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D Schubert · Post by **D Schubert** » 3 Mar 2003 7:11 am

Since very few folks have any idea what a Supro Grand Console Eight might be, I usually describe mine as a "standup steel" instead of a lap steel or a pedal steel.

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 3 Mar 2003 7:54 am

A D-8 is also a crawler tractor built by Caterpillar!

Uff-Da!

Gary C. Dygert · Post by **Gary C. Dygert** » 8 Mar 2003 5:36 pm

And then there's my old no-name nonpedal steel with screw-in legs. Sometimes it's a lap steel, and sometimes it's a steel. (I got it for a steal, but that's another story.)

Mark van Allen · Post by **Mark van Allen** » 9 Mar 2003 2:57 pm

Some time ago I lived with a gal who had a very precocious 5 year old daughter. She loved to listen to me playing my old Dual Pro, and referred to it as my "Ziddle". Since she was so far ahead of me on everything else, I figured she knew what she was talking about...

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Daniel J. Cormier · Post by **Daniel J. Cormier** » 10 Mar 2003 9:59 am

Is it still a Hawaiian Steel guitar if it's made in Louisiana & looks kinda like a boat paddle( i say boat 'cause i can't spell pirouge or canoe)

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