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Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 8 Jan 2003 8:43 am

Good points, Nathan.

Speaking only for myself, I have nothing but the utmost respect for studio players, and specifically for Bruce Bouton, Paul Franklin and John Hughey. The issues we're talking about are completely beyond their control.

Tell ya what. At my place at half-time we'll leave the TV audio on in the family room. But downstairs at the bar and pool table we'll mute the TV and go with some country legends -- TBD.

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[This message was edited by Ron Page on 08 January 2003 at 08:47 AM.]

Rick Collins · Post by **Rick Collins** » 8 Jan 2003 9:17 am

...all very good replies to this subject.

I respect every Steel Guitar Forum member's opinion. Even with this "touchy" subject there was no name calling. This is how the forum should look;___everyone expressing their opinion without the "nasty stuff".

I only wish Off Topic could work as well.

Rick

Tim Harr · Post by **Tim Harr** » 8 Jan 2003 12:28 pm

Bottom line here seems to me like this...

The Pedal Steel Guitar is a MUSICAL INSTRUMENT. period.

What difference does it make what type of music is played on it...

How many "jazzers" complain when there is a
Saxophone played on "Country records"...

Or a Trombone...(Hag's "Twinkle , Twinkle Lucky Star" - I think has one on it....)

Or Clarinet on some early Randy Travis records...

aren't these JAZZ instruments or CLASSICAL instruments????

Do you think this is ever brought up in jazz Forums or Discussion groups...

Most likely not.
A majority of these 'musicians' or fans look past these narrow minded Stereotypes..which here is bordering on the point of discrimination.

How dare a Pedal Steel be used in any other fashion except a 4/4 shuffle ala "A Way to Survive"!!

Or Banjo on jazz records (Bela Fleck et al)

Do you think that the Banjo forum has this problem with the use of "thier" instrument??

Look, those that know me and have heard me play can tell you that my heart is right there with the GREATS (BE, PF, BB, HR, JH, LG, etc...) I love Ray Price, ET, Hag, Loretta Lynn, Gene Watson, and Dale Watson, etc...and I support traditional Country music. BUT ----->

Who are these people who critique these studio players on the job they do....?
They obviously do not understand the concept of playing in a studio and following a producers direction..

This is music - and Steel Guitar is an instrument that plays music.

thanks

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Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 8 Jan 2003 1:26 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>How many "jazzers" complain when there is a Saxophone played on "Country records"...
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Tim,

I think a better comparison is to ask how many "jazzers" would complain if the jazz media outlets were co-opted by very pop sounding music?

I don't object to the pop-country acts using steel in any way shape or form they want. I object -- by abstaining -- to the fact that they've pretty much pushed my kind of music off the airwaves and abandoned an entire market segement in doing so. That's okay. Sales are down big time! They'll remember the smaller markets once the one they've created is down to size.

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Stephen LeBlanc · Post by **Stephen LeBlanc** » 8 Jan 2003 1:44 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Who are these people who critique these studio players on the job they do....?
They obviously do not understand the concept of playing in a studio and following a producers direction..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FWIW...some great producers in the past purposely hired players that didn't need technical direction and just let the guys bring what they had to the table...but the money has become so much more important than the music these days that a lot of record producers are paranoid.

They have to produce hits that sell millions of copies...it's not like the old days when a gold was not only acceptable but something to celebrate.

I'd argue the records from the past that have really stood the test of time and continue to sell every year were made a different way. There was cookie cutter production then too but musicians got a lot more respect and didn't have to compromise as much. IMO, most of the records made the past few years will be forgotten in a year or two, they won't stand the test of time.

Also FWIW...just sharing my thoughts here.....my Dad would take some emotional direction from great producers but 9 out of 10 sessions he did he was hired because he was able to bring what the song called for...not just to be the fingers and hands of some egocentric hit maker.

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Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 8 Jan 2003 1:59 pm

Ron, a lot of "jazzers" DID complain several years ago, when something called fusion came 'round. And traditionialists aren't gonna like ANYTHING new. I don't like electric bass in bluegrass, but I love what Victor Wooten does with Bela Fleck.
But this is about Shania at the Super Bowl, isn't it. The Super Bowl is usually a lousy game, overhyped and underplayed, mostly used as a vehicle for the new commercials, and the halftime show. Shania sells tons of records, looks real good(but the dancin' fiddlers' gotta GO!)and puts on a show--Pyro, lights, effects, etc. I know that none of this has anything to do with music, but hey, why do you think they call it SHOW business!?!?!?!

Dan Tyack · Post by **Dan Tyack** » 8 Jan 2003 6:40 pm

perhaps the best reason to watch it was to see and hear the great Curly Chalker

And to watch him play with a s&^%$ eating grin on his face...

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Bob Blair · Post by **Bob Blair** » 8 Jan 2003 6:54 pm

Yeah Dan, the %$!!*^%-eating grin did seem to be an integral part of the Hee Haw gig! Not even Curly was immune. That's show biz....

But Dan, while I've got you, are you going to be here with the Campbell Bros next month? Feb 7, in our new Winspear Centre, which will be a great venue!