Apple to support Windows XP on Mac

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 5 Apr 2006 7:15 am

This just appeared on my radar screen: http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

If that doesn't sell a lot of new Mac hardware, nothing will!

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John Fabian · Post by **John Fabian** » 5 Apr 2006 10:42 am

It's about time.

Michael Barone · Post by **Michael Barone** » 5 Apr 2006 4:28 pm

This is big time news, sure to impact public schools. If Apple-level video resources can be accessed, this is revolutionary. It may work, since your Apple has to be Intel powered.

But I wonder also how experimental Apple users will handle virus/spyware risks. That's the only inconvenience.

I hope Wiz comments on this release.

Mike

Jerry Gleason · Post by **Jerry Gleason** » 5 Apr 2006 6:52 pm

An Intel Mac running windows will be subject to the same virus and spyware risks as any other computer running Windows, but as long as you keep your web surfing and email on the Mac OS side, it should be fine.

I'm looking forward to a dual-boot Mac, but I'm a little concerned about what it means to future Mac OS software development.

John Fabian · Post by **John Fabian** » 6 Apr 2006 1:26 am

The speculation is that eventually Apple will be running MS OS.

Remember, Steve Jobs keeps claiming they are a hardware company.

Jon Bergh · Post by **Jon Bergh** » 6 Apr 2006 5:13 am

I think the biggest dream out there is getting a great Apple-provided Windows emulator... not rebooting, not running Windows itself, just being able to run an app or two on the fly within the MacOS.

There are some opensource projects out there working towards this...
-jon

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 6 Apr 2006 9:14 am

That would be a better solution. I don't want to buy Windows just to run the 2 or 3 Windows apps I need.

Actually, I've narrowed it down to one Windows app that I can't do without: WaveLab. I use it for CD mastering. It has great EQs, compressors, levelers, fades, etc. Anyone know of a similar app for OS X?

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Joey Ace · Post by **Joey Ace** » 6 Apr 2006 1:01 pm

Dave Boothroyd · Post by **Dave Boothroyd** » 6 Apr 2006 11:58 pm

I'm wondering how long it will be before I can run OSX on my PC instead of WINXP.
Cheers
Dave

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 7 Apr 2006 2:24 am

If I did run Windows on a Mac, for some apps,
I still would NEVER gp online with it.
Just reboot into Mac OS.
it IS good news though.

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 7 Apr 2006 6:09 am

Actually, I've narrowed it down to one Windows app that I can't do without: WaveLab. I use it for CD mastering. It has great EQs, compressors, levelers, fades, etc. Anyone know of a similar app for OS X?

Bob,
Have you tried Peak ? I like it and find it very easy to use.

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Wiz Feinberg · Post by **Wiz Feinberg** » 7 Apr 2006 6:23 am

This will be good news for graphics developers, videographers, photographers, special effects people and news editors, who normally have to compose their works on a Mac, but may need to do other tasks on a PC. This will save them having to but two machines, unless they use the Mac fulltime and only move to the PC on occasion.

There is a big cultural difference between Mac users and PC users, which borders on snobbery. Most Mac users are very technically aware and into high-tech arts and production. Their computers run incredibly fast when performing heavy-duty math-oriented pixel work. I used to have to go to Kinkos and rent time on a Mac to work with Illustrator and Distiller files from a client who sent me magazine layouts on a ZipDisk. There was no way I was going to spend the big bucks to buy those programs and try to run them on my struggling PC.

Now, PCs and Macs compute at similar real-world clock speeds, with little difference in performance, except to the professional eye. This boot device will not allow PC users to add the Mac OS to their machines, only Mac owners can add Windows to Mac computers. Apple Corp is in the Hardware business; they build and sell computers. If you want to try a Mac, and still have Windows available as your main OS, this might be a way to do it.

You will need to have a licensed version of Windows that performs a full install, not an upgrade, and it must have a valid product code that has not already been registered/activated on another machine.

Apple will not provide any support for this dual boot setup, nor any patches for Windows or it's programs.

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Glenn Suchan · Post by **Glenn Suchan** » 7 Apr 2006 6:50 am

I'm looking forward to a dual-boot Mac, but I'm a little concerned about what it means to future Mac OS software development.

I can't imagine Apple forsaking their tradition by giving in to MS "Windows" as a primary OS. MAC OS is well written and practically trouble free when compared to MS "Windows" (How many of you MS "Windows" users have ever felt like you were a beta tester for Microsoft?). Apple software developers promise fully compatable Apple software for the Intel Dual Core processor. Currently, there is translator software called "Oracle" which bridges the compatibility issue. However, the downside when running "Oracle" on the Apple/Intel duel core architecture, is the computer is only as fast as the G5 PowerPC architechture. This is the biggest issue facing Apple (Why buy an Apple/Intel unit with compatibility issues which isn't any faster than the proven Apple/PowerPC). I believe many Apple users are waiting for the MAC OS software compatibility issue to be resolved.

Personally, I think when Apple updates all their native software to be fully compatible with the Intel Dual Core processor it will put all PC builders as well as Microsoft "On Notice". Apple's quality and willingness to be state-of-the-art will attract many "dyed-in-the-wool" MS/PC users. Who knows, maybe in the future, all the PC builders and Microsoft will be advertising their compatibilty with MAC OS.

Keep on pickin'!
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Ganey Arsement · Post by **Ganey Arsement** » 7 Apr 2006 6:54 am

Well...Apple will never provide a Windows emulator. That would be a legal liability. They aren't supporting Windows either. They have only stated that with the new Intel chips, Apple users may now install Windows if they choose. Apple is providing a program to manage a dual-booting system.

I think it is great that Apple has remained open-minded and consumer oriented. This is an excellent strategy to increase their small 5% of the computer market. Is true that Apple is safe from viruses, but only because developers want to harm the masses and don't waste their time on 5% of the population. With increased market share will eventually come viruses.[This message was edited by Ganey Arsement on 07 April 2006 at 07:54 AM.]

Wiz Feinberg · Post by **Wiz Feinberg** » 7 Apr 2006 7:22 am

Then there is the question "Where am I going to find Windows Drivers for my dual boot Mac?"

Answer:
Boot Camp will burn a CD of all the required drivers for Windows so you don't have to scrounge around the Internet looking for them.

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b0b · Post by **b0b** » 7 Apr 2006 9:37 pm

I'd rather run Apple OS X on my Dell than run Windows XP on my Mac.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 8 Apr 2006 3:07 am

Just a comment.
I see a lot of posts (here and other forums) about how much better the Apple OS is over Microsoft. One thing to consider, Apple is producing both the OS and the Hardware and has a much tighter control. With a Microsoft OS machine, the OS must run on literally thousands of potentially different hardware configurations, from CPU's to Motherboards, to system devices, etc. Lawsuits have forced Microsoft to "open" their OS up.

I saw the same thing with the old IBM OS/2 - it was a much better OS than DOS and/or Windows 3.0 at the time. OS/2 on an IBM PS/2 was a solid combination and back then OS/2 had the same ability that Windows XP has with an application - if that application abends then you just restart that application you don't have to completely restart the PC.

Glenn Suchan · Post by **Glenn Suchan** » 8 Apr 2006 9:23 am

Jack, I rest my case, go Mac

Seriously, Apple maintains higher hardware quality standards than many (if not all) of the "brand X" PC makers. That quality standard for PC's has been as much of a problem for MS "Windows" as any consideration of "opening up" for a variety of PC idiosycracies. Also, I've been told Microsoft uses Linux as a debugging software for "Windows". Why?? Can't they figure out how to debug their own creations?

As b0b said, I'd rather run Mac OSX on my Toshiba laptop than "Windows XP" on my Apple eMac (Heck, I'd rather run Mac OSX on my Toshiba than "Windows" on my Toshiba!!!). However, I suspect there would be alot of problems running a PC compatible OSX on an "X" brand PC.

BTW, Regarding the reliability of IBM's OS/2. Mac's OSX is based on IBM's OS/2 that came about when Apple and IBM decided to share operating system ideas (OS/2 and Mac OS) as well as processors (Apple's PowerPC chip).

The answer, as I said: Go Mac!

Keep on pickin'!
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Jeff Agnew · Post by **Jeff Agnew** » 8 Apr 2006 9:51 am

I'd rather run Apple OS X on my Dell.

Many industry folks feel this is no longer far-fetched. Note the last two paragraphs here. Dvorak (love him/hate him) and others say the same thing. A year ago, the idea was laughable.

[This message was edited by Jeff Agnew on 08 April 2006 at 10:53 AM.]