Newbie to Website Designing

Mark van Allen · Post by **Mark van Allen** » 10 Jan 2006 3:48 pm

Larry, I've been really happy with Sitespinner. Cheap, works ALL the time, includes the FTP program automatically, and you can go as deep or shallow as you please, using templates or easily scratch designing a page. Go to my site below to see what I've done with it- the black background pages are older pages my old web guy did for me on a custom proggram, the dark blue bacgrounds, including all the steel store pages, are sitespinner. There's a link on my home page to try it out or download/order the program. $49, works great.

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Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 10 Jan 2006 4:30 pm

Nevermind. [This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 10 January 2006 at 10:43 PM.]

Larry R · Post by **Larry R** » 10 Jan 2006 9:54 pm

Mark, nice website, and I like the toys too.
Thanks for the advice.

John Fabian · Post by **John Fabian** » 11 Jan 2006 2:56 am

Hand code in Notepad for real men!

The rest of that sentence should read:
"who have lots of time on their hands with nothing better to do."

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 11 Jan 2006 3:52 am

I thought we had advanced past the "hand coding" era.

My first programming job, with NASA in 1969, we used machine language and coded everything with 1's and 0's and had punch cards made. I had to learn to "speak" Octal for that job.

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 11 Jan 2006 5:08 am

I was also initially exposed to programming during that horrendous "punch-card" era, and today I won't write any code if there is existing software to do it for me.

I have no quarrel with the validity of the criticism and negative comments made about my choice of web tools.

Frontpage does what I want done and so what if it's not respected by legitimate web designers....I should care about that because_______?

Dave Potter · Post by **Dave Potter** » 11 Jan 2006 6:32 am

I should care about that because___

You, too, would cherish legitimacy? Sorry, couldn't resist...

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 11 Jan 2006 8:35 am

Actually, I have no problem handcoding HTML. It's a pretty easy language as computer languages go. Almost all of the pages at b0b.com were created with a simple text editor. It wasn't Notepad, but it could have been.

You set up a simple cycle. Write HTML. Save file. Open file with Internet Explorer to see what it looks like. Lather, rinse, repeat.

My first programming job, with NASA in 1969, we used machine language and coded everything with 1's and 0's and had punch cards made.

You had 1's? We had to make our own by flattening 0's with a hammer.

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Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 11 Jan 2006 9:47 am

b0b, actually we coded it, sent it to keypunch, had to get a keypunch listing (and correct what was keypunched wrong) and then assembled it in an old Univac computer, which generated an ASCII paper tape. The machine I was programming - a (Dynatronics) PCM Decommutator, only loaded via the paper tape reader. It had a "massive" 4K (30 bit word) core memmory. The unit was for the downlink Telemetry from the Apollo spacecraft.

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 11 Jan 2006 11:01 am

Jack you lost me. I gave up programming after failing to successfully program "Salesman 1, 2, and 3". Actually, I didn't do really bad, it's just that I could never stay in line long enough to use the "card reader" to check my work!