Black Widows in an Evans?

David Mullis · Post by **David Mullis** » 4 Jan 2005 1:51 pm

OK, so just after I posted in another thread that I was totally happy with my tone, I'm thinking about changing up. Sue me!!

Both my Evans (LV500 and HV500)have E series JBL's in them and they're really heavy. I've been playing with the idea of swapping them out for some 1501 BW's. Anyone else done this? How do ya like em?

Thanks
David

Jon Light (deceased) · Post by **Jon Light (deceased)** » 4 Jan 2005 2:05 pm

FET 500 Custom. Changed to a BW from the stock Eclipse. Good move. Not sure, off hand, what model BW.

Dag Wolf · Post by **Dag Wolf** » 4 Jan 2005 3:06 pm

JayDee Maness uses 15 BW in both his Evans amps.

David Mullis · Post by **David Mullis** » 4 Jan 2005 3:41 pm

Anyone know what the weight difference is between the E series JBL's and the BW's?

Larry Hamilton · Post by **Larry Hamilton** » 4 Jan 2005 3:41 pm

David, I play an Evans E-200 large cabinet loaded with with a 1502 BW. Great tone! The lows are clean without losing the highs. the highs are clean. I have no problem with it. I play a LeGrande II with TrueTone 18.5 pickups. I am sure a 1501 would work just fine also, maybe just a little thinner sound but that is what knobs are for. BW speakers are reasonable in price so if you have or want to change speakers, it won't break the bank. Not to mention, if you blow a speaker you can just change out the basket, not the whole speaker, cheaper yet. I beleive Herb Steiner uses an Evans with a 1502. I think you will happy with either speaker

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David Mullis · Post by **David Mullis** » 4 Jan 2005 9:13 pm

If I remember correctly, the 1501 is a shallow basket? What is the 1502?

Thx
David

Mike Brown · Post by **Mike Brown** » 5 Jan 2005 7:42 am

The BW 1502 is a deep basket that is designed for bass guitar use, but we have used this speaker in some steel amp models as well.

Herb Steiner · Post by **Herb Steiner** » 5 Jan 2005 8:02 am

Yes, I use a 1502-4 in my 1995 Evans SE-200, upon the recommendation of Ed Buffington. I'm fixing to put a 1501-4 in my Webb 614-GP as well, since I think I blew the E-130-4 that's in there now.

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Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 5 Jan 2005 11:58 am

I bought a new Evans SE-200 in July of 2003. It came with the Eminence Deltalite speaker, which is 8 ohms. I bought it because of the weight (42 lbs) but with the 8 ohm speaker in it, the max power output can only be 128 watts. In order to get the full rated 200 watts it needs a 4 ohm load. I don't play loud but I was still turning both the input and output gain controls to max. I had considered putting in a 1501-4 BW speaker but decided against it as the reason I bought the amp was because of the weight and adding a BW speaker would have negated any weight advantage. So I sold it (Feb 2004) and bought a Nashville 1000 (which I'm happy with) which is probably about the same weight as an SE-200 with a BW speaker in it.

BTW, the forumla for power out is E Sq'd divided by R. In the case of the SE-299, it's 32 V(DC) squared divided by 8 (ohms) or 4 (ohms). With the factory installed 8 ohm speaker it's 32X32=1024 divided by 8 - 128 watts. For a 4 ohm speaker 1024 divided by 4 equals 256 (actually more than the rated output but I was given the 32 volts measurement by Ed Buffington).

David Mullis · Post by **David Mullis** » 5 Jan 2005 3:37 pm

Thanks guys, I also found a thread where b0b had a/b'd some JBL's, BW's and EV's and he like the EV's. Who knows, maybe I have a 3rd option?

David Mullis · Post by **David Mullis** » 18 Jan 2005 8:57 pm

Well, I dunnit! I've got one of my JBL's sold. Does anyone here have a good (read that CHEAP) source for some 1501-4 SB's?

Thanks
David

Doug Jones · Post by **Doug Jones** » 18 Jan 2005 9:59 pm

FWIW: I ordered my Evans FET-500 from Darrell with no speaker. I put a 1501-4DT in it and have been using it since 1988. I got another same vintage 500 with a JBL E-130-4 in 1999. It sounded way to raw and brittle compared to the BW. Sold the Jabe and got another Deep Throw. To my ear, the BW in an Evans with my Emmons has a really good mid-90s Hughey sort of sound.

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 18 Jan 2005 11:23 pm

I've talked to a bunch of folks about this, and whether you're a Peavey-holic, or can't STAND their equipment, the 1501-4 may well be the best all-around steel guitar speaker made. I like the EVM-15-L's, but I've got a new 1501 on standby, for when my back gives out!

Robbie Daniels · Post by **Robbie Daniels** » 19 Jan 2005 8:17 am

I have a SE200 Evans and I replaced the stock speaker with a 1501-4 Black Widow and noticed an increase in weight, but a huge difference in sound quality, especially on the lower notes of my C6. I mounted the Evans speaker in another cabinet to be used with my non-pedal 56 Rickenbacker steel. I also have a 1984 FET500 Evans with an E130 4 ohm JBL and I wouldn't touch that baby, it has better quality and sound than the 1999 SE200 with or without the Black Widow.

James Cann · Post by **James Cann** » 19 Jan 2005 12:10 pm

"OK, so just after I posted in another thread that I was totally happy with my tone, I'm thinking about changing up."
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Well, don't feel so bad, David, we all get shallow when it suits us!<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by James Cann on 19 January 2005 at 12:11 PM.]</p></FONT>

Paul Warnik · Post by **Paul Warnik** » 23 Jan 2005 1:44 pm

I have two Evans FET-500'S Low Voltage Large Enclosure models that have been retro-fitted with Black Widow 1501-4's Great sound lots of power-I have the Evans Dual pre-amp in my rack also-drives B.W. 1501's in Cush Case enclosures

David Mullis · Post by **David Mullis** » 23 Jan 2005 6:10 pm

Update! I picked up a 1501-4 SB Thursday and put it in my FET 500 small cab. So far, I love it! I'm sure it will only get better as it breaks in. Thanks for all the input!

David