Tried New Goodrich Volume Pedal Today

Louie Hallford · Post by **Louie Hallford** » 19 Oct 2000 6:28 pm

I think the era of pot pedals might be coming to an end.

While at Carter Steel Guitar today,I had an oppurtunity to try the soon to be released Goodrich electronic pedal.

The Goodrich is the smoothest feeling and quietest pedal I have ever put my foot on.
There was absolutely no distortion or tone loss.It was like driving a finely tuned high powered car. Press the accelerator and you had instant power without a miss.(or a hiss)

While not playing,I was able to floorboard the pedal without amp hum or feedback.

While,I will refrain from discussing economics,as I am not sure if or when pricing information will be made public,(maybe it has been and I don't know it), but it appears that Goodrich has again built a quality product with the players budget in mind.

My mind is made up ,and I am waiting for a delivery date.[This message was edited by louie hallford on 19 October 2000 at 07:30 PM.][This message was edited by louie hallford on 19 October 2000 at 07:33 PM.]

David Wright · Post by **David Wright** » 19 Oct 2000 7:25 pm

I talked to the Goodrich boy's in St Louis and am waiting for one too, been using there stuff on every job I play for many years and have never had a problem, they have done a lot for the steel players for years..There Great people and have great steel goodies..

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Bob Mainwaring · Post by **Bob Mainwaring** » 19 Oct 2000 9:30 pm

If I don`t say it someone else will - so here goes:- How does it compare with the tried and much tested "Keith Hilton" pedal which I and a lot of others just love.
I remember someone else had mentioned them around the convention days.

Bob Mainwaring. Z.Bs. and other weird things.

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Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 20 Oct 2000 5:19 am

Whatever legal issues there are, if any, are a dead issue on the forum.

Let sleeping dogs lie.

steve takacs · Post by **steve takacs** » 20 Oct 2000 6:37 am

Anyone know how the new Goodrich electronic pedal differs from the old Edward's light beam pedal??? Thanks,
Steve

b0b · Post by **b0b** » 20 Oct 2000 7:21 am

I'm moving this from Bar Chatter to Electronics.

Bob Brocius · Post by **Bob Brocius** » 20 Oct 2000 10:47 am

Steve,
Don't know the difference but I once had an Edwards Light-Beam. It was great after I modified it. The original pedal had two #57 light bulbs that were powered by an AC step-down transformer. The bulbs, powered by 24 volts AC, (the bulbs were wired in series), introduced a 60 cycle hum into the photo cells which the amp amplified very nicely, but undesirable. I found this by noticing that the hum was mostly present when volume was all the way off, full brillance of the bulb was shining on the photocell.

So I removed the stepdown transformer and used it to build a 12 volt regulated DC power supply from RadioShack parts and powered the bulbs in parallel. No more hum. The pedal was both volume and tone, one bulb/photocell combo for each.

Maybe this info will be helpfull to someone.

Bob

Kevin Mincke · Post by **Kevin Mincke** » 20 Oct 2000 11:13 am

I still have one of the "Edwards" light-beam pedals. I don't recall if it had the 60Hz hum to it or not!

Dennis Detweiler · Post by **Dennis Detweiler** » 20 Oct 2000 3:20 pm

I haven't tried the Goodrich pedal, but examined it at the convention.
I bought a Hilton pedal while at the convention.
Conclusion...In comparison to any other pedal that I have tried as of convention time 2000, I haven't found a better pedal. It lives up to everyone's expectations. Tone...unmatched, Quietness...unmatched, smoothness of mechanics...unmatched. What I notice immediately is the seperation of notes (clearity). The low notes on my U-12 were very distinct, even when playing a chord in the very low octave. Listening musicians in the clubs have been asking and commenting about how clear and gutsy the tone is compared to previous gigs that I have been playing.
I don't know how the Hilton compares to the Goodrich? But I would NEVER go back to a pot pedal or a light beam after this.
Another positive....Keith will PERSONALLY make sure you are happy with his pedal. He will respond immediately if you have questions about the setup or adjustments to his pedal. Unreal commitment to his product!
There is a thread concerning Doug Jernigan's tone being the best he's ever produced? The Zumsteel for sure and probably combined with the Hilton pedal that he may have used on the session could be the key.
Dennis[This message was edited by Dennis Detweiler on 20 October 2000 at 06:24 PM.]

Al Marcus · Post by **Al Marcus** » 20 Oct 2000 7:18 pm

I have a Goodrich Light beam pedal and a Goodrich low boy L120 nearly new pot pedal.

I like them both. The control is more precise on the L120 lowboy, but otherwise not too much noticable difference to me.

They are both very good high quality pedals....al[This message was edited by Al Marcus on 20 October 2000 at 08:19 PM.]

John Fabian · Post by **John Fabian** » 21 Oct 2000 6:21 am

Any concerns about wall wart transformers and safety issues can likely be answered by checking the proper UL specification at this site here.

Those wanting further info on the CD2 Pedal by Goodrich can check out info we received from Goodrich and which we've now posted here.

Questions not answered by the above info page on our site about the Goodrich CD2 can be answered by Goodrich directly. Their phone number is (231) 893-5702.

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steve takacs · Post by **steve takacs** » 21 Oct 2000 6:28 am

Bob Brocius, Thanks, your information has defintely been a help to me. I have the hum you described with the Edwards as well, and will try to modify the pedal when I get back to the US. [This message was edited by steve takacs on 21 October 2000 at 07:30 AM.]

Steve Feldman · Post by **Steve Feldman** » 21 Oct 2000 10:13 am

Sure would be nice to have these new volume pedals (both the Hilton and the Goodrich) available in a model that works like or fits on the 2 pedal bar stubs like the old Emmons and other guitars. Pick it up and carry the pedal around with the guitar as necessary...

Keith/Goodrich (I know you Goodrich guys aren't out there listening, but anyway...) - How about it?

steve takacs · Post by **steve takacs** » 21 Oct 2000 2:27 pm

B. Cole, The new Goodrich CD2 is listed on the Carter site for $185 plus $10 shipping. Thanks for your input about the possible electrical hazards too. It's something I had not considered. I will also be waiting for someone in the know to clarify this. Steve [This message was edited by steve takacs on 21 October 2000 at 03:31 PM.]

Bob Mainwaring · Post by **Bob Mainwaring** » 21 Oct 2000 9:26 pm

Like I said earlier, I`ve had no problems with my Hilton pedal since I got it a few months ago from our friend Al Brisco back in Ontario and it sounds great on either amps I`ve tried it on varying from a little Fender 65w with 12" speaker, the Roland 120 I`m currently using or a friends Peavy 400.

It came up in talk a while ago that someone called John Fabian may have had something to do with the new Goodrich pedal getting it where it is - would anyone have any further input??

Bob Mainwaring Z.Bs. and other weird things.

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Ann Fabian · Post by **Ann Fabian** » 22 Oct 2000 5:59 am

Mr. Mainwaring ... We heard that inaccurate rumor ourselves.

Many of our vendors ask our opinions of their new ideas, current products, and marketing strategies.

Until this week, neither John Fabian, our Company President, nor anyone at Carter Steel Guitars, had ever seen a fully-working model of the Goodrich CD2.

Additionally, while we would love to have credit for what appears to be an excellent product, ALL the credit goes to Philip Goodrich and the Goodrich Sound Company who have been hard at work developing this pedal for some time.

If you or anyone would like to clarify who should get credit for the development of the Goodrich CD2, we suggest you call and reach Ollie Goodrich or his father, Philip Goodrich, and ask them DIRECTLY (rather than furthering inaccurate rumors here in a public forum).

Goodrich Sound Company's phone number: (231) 893-5702.

I also recommend that in the future you go to the person (John Fabian and Ollie/Philip Goodrich, in this case) and ask them directly whether what you have heard is indeed true. Contact info for John Fabian/Carter Steel Guitars is below and linked from the bottom of nearly every page on our web sites.

I also strongly recommend that you go back to the person or persons from whom you heard this rumor and let them know that the "information" they have given you is inaccurate at best, and either a deliberate prevarication or delusional at worst.

This may seem strongly worded to you or to some; however, I believe that it is extremely important that ONLY accurate information about this product be disseminated.

Awhile back, there was a lot of inaccurate information and false accusations made regarding this product. It would be silly to restart that nonsense again.

Carter Steel Guitars is a Goodrich dealer, period.

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Dennis Manuel · Post by **Dennis Manuel** » 22 Oct 2000 7:54 am

Yes Ann, tell it like it is.

Bob Brocius · Post by **Bob Brocius** » 22 Oct 2000 8:20 am

Ann,
I liked the Bungee Cord Quote/Reference. I'll file it along with another one I like equally well, although I don't know who to give credit for it.
"It is better to remain silent and be thought to be a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

Bob

Steve Feldman · Post by **Steve Feldman** » 22 Oct 2000 9:43 am

On a lighter note....

I found out that Hilton does offer mounting brackets that fit the 2-stub pedal bar mount (e.g. Emmons, Franklin). Both Hilton and Goodrich also offer the 'universal' (over the bar) mount.

SF

Patrick Ickes · Post by **Patrick Ickes** » 22 Oct 2000 10:11 am

B. Cole,

The easiest way to eliminate the lip spark you are worried about, is to plug your amp, wall warts, etc., into the same plug as your P.A. system is plugged into. Usually when you get the spark, it's because your equipment and the P.A. is pulling power from different legs of 110VAC. There is almost always a small amount of potential(voltage/phase) difference, and the spark is natures way of balancing an imbalanced situation. I just built my own house, and you generally "balance" each room by dividing the outlets, etc. from each side of the power bus, but in the music room, all outlets are from the same side of the bus so I don't get zapped while touching another guitar players strings to show him where his bar should be placed.
Hope this helps,
Pat

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 22 Oct 2000 10:24 am

"It is better to remain silent and be thought to be a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

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