Has Win 10 taken over my computer

Harold Dye · Post by **Harold Dye** » 15 Oct 2015 11:21 am

I chose not to download Win 10 so I hid the update so that every time it showed up it would not be downloaded. I also moved from auto to manual installations. Now the Win 10 icon has shown up and I cannot delete it from the desktop. The updates no longer show up and I have to select the show updates button to see them. At this time I have about 13 updates and I cannot download them. When I select the ones to download and I click the button to download, it returns to the Win 10 page and the only choice I have is to download it. I have tried to delete it, but it will not allow that and I can't download the other updates and have not be able to for over a week now. What can I do to get rid of the Win 10 icon and page?
The Win 10 page is not like the page that comes up when I want to select any new updates.

Wiz Feinberg · Post by **Wiz Feinberg** » 15 Oct 2015 12:28 pm

I had accepted the upgrade to Windows 10, then changed my mind (software problems) and rolled back to 7. As soon as I logged into W7 and checked for updates, Windows 10 selected itself and tried to download. The trick is in the wording on the Windows Update window. Windows 10 is listed under "Optional Updates" and can be deselected, then hidden (right click on it in the list of optional updates).

After you deselect Windows 10, you can download and install the rest of the updates.

After you finish running updates and rebooting, you will probably want to get rid of the Get Windows 10 nag icon. You do this by uninstalling Windows Update kb3035583 via Control Panel > Programs > Uninstall > Show Updates.

Harold Dye · Post by **Harold Dye** » 15 Oct 2015 2:38 pm

Thanks Wiz. I have already uninstalled the Win 10 from the Control panel and when it showed up again I hid it so I would not make a mistake and download it. When I click on the icon now I get a window unlike the install page I normally get to download and install up dates. When I go to the page and select the ones I want to install and try to install them it takes me back to the Win 10 page and it is totally different from the page for the downloads. I have tried every way I can think of to delete the Win 10 page but it won't let me. I have looked in the control panel for it and it is not there. I have looked in the installed update sections and it is not there either.

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 16 Oct 2015 2:02 am

I had the same set of problems with updates, finally let Win10 have its way with my computer, then rolled it back.

I chanced upon (after a search) this article in which I found solutions; it's been a while (longer than two minutes)
so I don't recall the particulars I used, except that I used the registry hack in the article, amazed that I was able to hack into my own computer.
You may find help here.

http://www.howtogeek.com/218856/how-do- ... tion-tray/

I still get the prompt to 'try Win10' but it's less and less over time. Eventually, I'll have to remove the icon, I'm sure.
I must have save the above link for that purpose, but I did a lot more with it previously.

Dave Potter · Post by **Dave Potter** » 16 Oct 2015 5:49 am

Charlie McDonald wrote:I still get the prompt to 'try Win10' but it's less and less over time. Eventually, I'll have to remove the icon, I'm sure.

Charlie, there's a specific "Windows Update" that causes you to keep getting the prompts. I just uninstalled KB 3035583, and then, when it came up again for me to install it, I didn't install it, I "hid" it in the update screen so it wouldn't run again. That did it for me. I'm not getting any nags on my Win7 box now.

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 16 Oct 2015 6:10 am

I'd decided to wait it out and see how long it would hang around, partly because of this in the article:
"To make this icon and its notifications go away, Microsoft unhelpfully recommends hiding them."

[here appears a box with instructions in 'customize,' same as you gave]

"This works for the current session, but restart your system (which happens from time to time), and it reappears. In other words, it’s no simple feat to make it go away. You can’t right-click on the icon and tell it not to bug you anymore, and you could remove its entry from the Task Scheduler, but that doesn’t actually remove the GWX application from your system."

Hiding it doesn't make the problem go away; things that don't go away, I'd rather see them.
However, just for fun, I followed your instruction and made it go away. Next time I restart, I'll see what happens.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 16 Oct 2015 6:23 am

I'm still getting them and keep hiding them. I have a dual boot system with Windows 7 and Windows 10, so I don't need to upgrade my Win 7.

Dave Potter · Post by **Dave Potter** » 16 Oct 2015 7:05 am

Just passing it along. All I can say is that I did that, and don't ever see the icon, anything about Win10, or upgrading anymore.

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 16 Oct 2015 8:27 am

My 'get' is still gone too.

Harold Dye · Post by **Harold Dye** » 16 Oct 2015 11:52 am

This is the problem I am having. I uninstalled the KB 3035583 and then hid it when it came back in the update page. It stopped showing up for a time and now it is back and I can't get rid of it now.

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 17 Oct 2015 2:57 am

Harold, try Dave's suggestion a couple of posts up.
Seems to be working for me.

Wiz Feinberg · Post by **Wiz Feinberg** » 17 Oct 2015 9:11 am

Charlie McDonald wrote:I'd decided to wait it out and see how long it would hang around, partly because of this in the article:
"To make this icon and its notifications go away, Microsoft unhelpfully recommends hiding them."

snip

"This works for the current session, but restart your system (which happens from time to time), and it reappears. In other words, it’s no simple feat to make it go away. You can’t right-click on the icon and tell it not to bug you anymore, and you could remove its entry from the Task Scheduler, but that doesn’t actually remove the GWX application from your system."

snip

Microsoft is ramping up its push of Windows 10. They seem almost desperate to get rid of Windows 7 users.

So far, after rolling back to Windows 7, hiding the Windows 10 optional update and uninstalling the KB 3035583 update that is required to upgrade, and finally, changing my Windows Update setting to Notify but let me choose when to download, the Get Windows 10 nag screen has stayed gone. Of course, it's only been since Wednesday that I did this. We'll see if they try to sneak it in again when the next round of Windows updates come out in November.

Dave Potter · Post by **Dave Potter** » 17 Oct 2015 3:38 pm

Wiz Feinberg wrote:Microsoft is ramping up its push of Windows 10. They seem almost desperate to get rid of Windows 7 users.

That's almost humorous. But, it may be prophetic, following MS's experience with Win8/8. 1.

I've always been a Microsoftie, never felt the need to consider an alternative...until now. This "agressiveness" isn't welcome.

Mitch Drumm · Post by **Mitch Drumm** » 17 Oct 2015 4:39 pm

Dave Potter wrote:
Wiz Feinberg wrote:Microsoft is ramping up its push of Windows 10. They seem almost desperate to get rid of Windows 7 users.
That's almost humorous. But, it may be prophetic, following MS's experience with Win8/8. 1.

I've always been a Microsoftie, never felt the need to consider an alternative...until now. This "agressiveness" isn't welcome.

Exactly so.

I have a dual boot with Linux Mint 17.2 Mate going right now, on a separate discrete SSD.

I hadn't looked at Linux in 18 or 20 years until a month ago. You can configure a standard PC desktop to resemble Windows 7 pretty easily.

Hardest part of it is to visualize the Linux folder structure and learn where stuff is. That will unfortunately remain a complication unless I can get rid of Windows entirely, which doesn't look likely.

But it's over 4 years until Windows 7 becomes unsupported, so anything could happen.

The chances of me ever using Windows 10 has gone from 80 percent to maybe 50 percent over the last couple of months.

Harold Dye · Post by **Harold Dye** » 19 Oct 2015 6:37 am

Well I hope this is now over. Several weeks ago I Went to the control panel and found the KB3035583 and uninstalled it and then when it showed up again I hid it. When I started this thread the icon had come back and I could not figure out how to get rid of it. I do manual installs as opposed to auto so it would not be installed automatically. When I checked for new updates I had 14 and had not done any since 10/6. When I tried to install them it took me back to the install page for Win 10. After a long time of looking I finally found KB 3035583 had been installed again in control panel and then in the installed update section there it was again. I uninstalled both and then went back to the update page and it was still there. I checked for updates and I still had 14 so I installed them. Wiz had responded when I posted the thread but I overlooked some of what he said. He said look in the Optional updates because they sneak it in there...there it was, so I hid it again..this is the 4th time. When I did that Win 10 updated page went away and I was able to download all the updates. I HOPE THIS IS OVER!!!!!

Dave Potter · Post by **Dave Potter** » 19 Oct 2015 6:48 am

Harold Dye wrote:I HOPE THIS IS OVER!!!!!

I feel your pain. I hope so too for your sake.

But the fact is that those of us who are choosing not to install Win10 now have to accept that upgrade is pretty much inevitable at some future date. Of course, by the time Windows 7 becomes unsupported, there will undoubtedly be newer MS operating systems than Win10 available.

Then, there's alwas iOS and Linux, the forbidden fruit, waiting in the wings. If I was confident everything I use was compatible with Linux (or even iOS), I might want to check it out - I do worry about hardware/sofware compatibility.

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 19 Oct 2015 7:14 am

They want all our base!

Wiz Feinberg · Post by **Wiz Feinberg** » 19 Oct 2015 7:43 am

Microsoft has become HAL. "I'm sorry Dave, but I can't let you do that"

Bill Moore · Post by **Bill Moore** » 19 Oct 2015 5:20 pm

So, what's wrong with Windows 10? I just got a laptop with 10 installed, and it seems OK to me. I have not really tried to do much with this computer, but I am curious about why no ones cares for windows 10?

Mitch Drumm · Post by **Mitch Drumm** » 19 Oct 2015 10:48 pm

Bill Moore wrote:So, what's wrong with Windows 10? I just got a laptop with 10 installed, and it seems OK to me. I have not really tried to do much with this computer, but I am curious about why no ones cares for windows 10?

It's not no one, but a substantial and growing minority.

Among the reasons:

1: Some people on earlier Windows versions are having considerable trouble keeping Windows 10 related updates off their machines, when they have no interest in Win 10 at all.

2: Windows 10 home users are forced to take all Windows 10 updates, like it or not, needed or not, breaks your stuff or not.

3: Some are concerned about increasing intrusions into privacy via Microsoft telemetry capabilities found in Windows 10. The unconcerned say "so what, the NSA, CIA, FBI, and Google already know everything about me anyway, so who cares".

There's some complaining about Windows 10 from a pure functionality and features standpoint, such as the removal of Window Media Center--but mostly it's about privacy, intrusion, and Microsoft's attitude that many perceive as arrogant. It's a calculated decision in which Microsoft, having had a near monopoly for decades, figures that your average rube PC user wouldn't actually have the audacity to go to Apple or Linux or rid the house of computers altogether.

Time will tell. Watch what Windows market share does over the next few years.

There is at least one petition to the MS chairman in the works and talk of class action lawsuits. We shall see.

Wiz Feinberg · Post by **Wiz Feinberg** » 20 Oct 2015 9:08 am

I think I figured out why Windows 10 keeps trying to install on my Win 7 PC. The nag screen is gone (GWT), but every time I check manually for Windows Updates, Win 10 wants to start downloading. I deselect it in the list of optional updates and still, it won't allow any other updates.

Last night I was putzing around in the admin account and decided to try stuff out re: getting w10 to stop bothering me. It appears that there is a definition updating available for Windows Defender and I was trying to install it. Apparently, this update is tied to the optional Windows 10 upgrade. By not updating Defender, one may be able to install other more useful updates, unless you actually use that program. I don't.

James Quackenbush · Post by **James Quackenbush** » 20 Oct 2015 9:24 am

Big Brother is watching !!

Not to long ago I went to Windows 7 Professional for my recording needs as Apple was not making any machines to my liking .... I built a fast PC with Win 7 and have been really enjoying it .... It seems to me that the various Windows creations are a hit or miss en devour ...I surely don't want to be FORCED into an OS that I don't like .... I waited a long time before I loaded Win 7 into my PC to make sure it was OK, and keep it offline .... Jim

Harold Dye · Post by **Harold Dye** » 21 Oct 2015 4:54 am

Wiz what does windows defender do? Is that something that is linked to Internet explorer? I assumed it has to do with security. I get several of those to be downloaded almost every day. I use FireFox as my browser not IE. I seem to be technology challenged, too bad I can't fix this thing with my hammer. I would try but I can't find it ...wait it may be with my teeth, I can't find them either.

Dave Potter · Post by **Dave Potter** » 21 Oct 2015 6:12 am

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+does+windows+defender+do%3F

Mitch Drumm · Post by **Mitch Drumm** » 21 Oct 2015 9:16 am

http://www.infoworld.com/article/299591 ... l#comments

"A new version of GWX Control Panel should interrupt even the most advanced cases of forced Windows 10 upgrades."

I haven't personally investigated the above application as I've so far been able to avoid the Win 10 upgrade issue, but it might be useful for those of you who are being forced.

Here's more info from the developer:

http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/