Question About Cables

George Redmon · Post by **George Redmon** » 1 Jun 2005 7:46 am

Glenn, i use to use both the Belden 8410 and the 8412 as well..boy were those a bear to solder, i used a lighter, to burn off that white hair sheild to get to the bare wire, and the hot lead was real rubber..they were sure good in their time..and i think the outter jacket was REAL rubber as well..i kept
a couple i made so long, that they actually
"Dry Rotted" like an old tire! it was good cable. Ya know, someone told me i should never use a "Coiled Guitar Cable" either...wonder why? i use one on my 6 string! So it's, small dia. GeorgeL's no right angle plugs then....right?

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Hook Moore · Post by **Hook Moore** » 1 Jun 2005 9:40 am

I have had no trouble with the angled connectors at all. I do use just a touch of loctite on the threads. Also I may have a new/improved batch of the connectors too.
Hook

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Jon Jaffe · Post by **Jon Jaffe** » 1 Jun 2005 5:01 pm

Brad, I do like the older style angle plug better.

However, I have had no problems with the brass ones! The chrome plated ones seem to lack "puch". The right feel.

Jon

Paddy Long · Post by **Paddy Long** » 1 Jun 2005 5:49 pm

Like Hook, I have had no problems with the George L right angled plugs but the only one that gets use is the one that plugs into the guitar. I have several others in my rack setup but they don't get unplugged at all.

I also used blue belden cable for about 20 years because they were about the best available at the time - but I did notice a big difference in tone and clarity when I changed to George L's. Then I discovered the Black Box !!! Tone Heaven.
[This message was edited by Paddy Long on 01 June 2005 at 06:50 PM.]

George Redmon · Post by **George Redmon** » 2 Jun 2005 8:37 pm

Mr Hinson, i am sorry i didn't answer your question before now...
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Well, If they work so great for you, then you shouldn't really be bothered by what anyone else says!

Or do you have some...doubts?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I like to update my gear, from time to time. As you should know. New advancements, in cables, strings, picks, bars, are coming along everyday..i for one, like to keep up with the latest technology available? Every advantage helps one play better.And yes mine seem to work ok. But if there is something better, i want to have it if at all possible. And sir your statement....

you really shouldn't be bothered by what anyone else says!

Bothered?
Ah Yeah....i have cables...boy do i have cables..My girlfriend, calls my studio,..
George's Cablerama And Connector Emporium!

this is only 1 bay of 3 that i currently have, plus my mixer, recording station, playback...i can send private photos if you would really like to see cables!!!

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Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 3 Jun 2005 3:49 am

Here is the actual capacitance that was measured on a "1978" Belden 8410 cable with 1970's vintage (made in USA) Switchcraft 1/4" plugs.

The cable length with the plugs is 12 ft. The total capacitance was 547 pf. Divided by 12 + 45.58 pf per foot. However, the connectors can add about 10 pf to the overall capacitance. The cable alone would be near the published 35 pf spec.

The readings were made with a Sencore capacitance tester with digital readout.

An interesting observation on the 1/4" connectors and with low capacitance cable, it would seem the quality and capacitance of the connectors can affect the overall response of a given cable. e.g. if you have a low capacitance cable but poor grade of connectors it could present an overall "high" capacitance cable and affect the overall frequency response of the cable.

Glenn Suchan · Post by **Glenn Suchan** » 3 Jun 2005 5:43 am

Jack, thanks for the update on the Belden 8410 cable with Switchcraft 1/4" plugs. Wow! 455.8 pf out of my 10-foot Belden cable. I don't notice any significant loss of tone. I guess my Emmons D10 p/p makes up for the difference...

However, I might be surprised if I switch to George L's.

In my previous post I mentioned resistance basically functions as a high-pass filter. My good friend, forum member and electronics guru, Bill Terry reminded me it's inductance, not resistance that functions as a high pass filter. Thanks for setting me straight, Bill !

Keep on pickin'!
Glenn

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 3 Jun 2005 11:17 am

Glenn, it's a 12 ft cable, but still that is the cumulative capacitance of the overall cable with a Switchcraft 1/4" jack at each end.

I'll have to measure a George L's 1/4" jack whenever I get back down to Blakes, just to see if there is any difference between it and a good US Made Switchcraft.